Srila Prabhupda Uvacha
Best teachings of His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Mahraja
Here is an important point. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted to invent a way to capture the Māyāvādīs and others who did not take interest in the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. This is the symptom of an ācārya. An ācārya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Kṛṣṇa consciousness may be spread. Sometimes jealous persons criticize the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement because it engages equally both boys and girls in distributing love of Godhead. Not knowing that boys and girls in countries like Europe and America mix very freely, these fools and rascals criticize the boys and girls in Kṛṣṇa consciousness for intermingling.(PRABHUPADA Purport C.c Adi-lil 7:31-32)
They want to issue licenses for gambling houses, wine and other intoxicating dru...g houses, brothels, hotel prostitution and cinema houses, and falsity in every dealing, even in their own, and they want at the same time to drive out corruption from the state. They want the kingdom of God without God consciousness. How can it be possible to adjust two contradictory matters? If we want to drive out corruption from the state, we must first of all organize society to accept the principles of religion, namely austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness, and to make the condition favorable we must close all places of gambling, drinking, prostitution and falsity. These are some of the practical lessons from the pages of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. (SB 1.17.43-44 Prabhupada Purport)
The nitya-siddha’s ‘body’ can never fall down from Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha...
The paradox is, yes, the marginal living entity never leaves Goloka as their nitya-siddha body (unless its for Krsna lila and even then they still never leave, they just manifest themselves in two or more different places simultaneously) because ones eternal spiritual body is eternally fixed within the ‘eternal presence' of Goloka.
This ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna consciousness means that the nitya-siddha devotees are so absorbed in serving beautiful Krishna that there is no experience of the passing of time, nor is there any decay or forgetfulness, however there is always choice.
Srila Prabhupada – “The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully. Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when the living entity, misusing his tiny independence, wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54, purport)
Therefore one can ‘choose to forget’ not only Krishna but also their nitya-siddha body they serve Krishna as (rather than leave as their nitya-siddha body which is NOT possible) in Goloka due to that choice and it is not initially or originally forgetfulness that causes one to ‘sub-consciously’ fall; first there is choice in full consciousness.
One can understand that the nature of the mahat-tattva (material creation) from the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts is a place of impersonalism, after all, the nitya-baddha-jiva sub-consciousness has no permanent body and is always changing into material vessels or bodies like one changes cloths.
These material vessels are all provided by Maha-Vishnu since the extended ‘sub-consciousness’ or the nitya-baddha-bodiless condition of the jiva-tattva can only be contained in material bodies that are from the DREAMS of Maha-Vishnu.
It is those vessels, which are part and parcel of His DREAM material creation or mahat-tattva that gives the nitya-baddha ‘sub-conscious condition’ bodily form in the material creation.
The nitya-baddha ‘sub-conscious’ DREAM state originates (yet has nothing to do with ones nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body) from the marginal living entity and NOT from ones nitya-siddha perpetual rasa or svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. This seemingly paradoxical reality is explained in this way -
Both nitya-siddha Spiritual body and nitya-baddha ‘sub-consciousness’ are totally separate conditions of the marginal living entity and they never intertwine. This is compared to light (nitya-siddha [personalism]) and darkness (nitya-baddha [impersonalism]) that can never exist together.
Either the marginal living entity is consciously ‘aware’ of their nitya-siddha eternal body in Goloka, or sub-consciously ‘unaware’ or forgetful of it. When the marginal living entities are ‘unaware or forgetful’ of their nitya-siddha body (due to free-will and choice), they immediately manifest as the nitya-baddha lower self (sub-consciousness) that seeks out bodily forms within the mahat-tattva (material creation).
The nitya-baddha non-Krishna conscious condition of the jiva-tattva has no factual body because it is only made up of non-Krishna conscious dreams, desires and thoughts of self-importance that only finds an out let by possessing vessels of the mahat-tattva.
The marginal living entity therefore looses the ‘awareness and memory’ of their nitya-siddha body (due to choice) to attain this state of self-denial (nitya-baddha) that enters the mahat-tattva.
Actually, even though painful to Krishna, this rebellious act is the legitimate right of all marginal living entities to desire, that is if they foolishly choose to use their free and forget Krishna and simultaneously their nitya-siddha body in Goloka.
dream condition that also a transitory situation of the baddha-jiva.
In this way the nitya-baddha sub-consciousness dream begins, due to free will, from its own marginal origins in Goloka, yet the nitya-baddha state is NEVER in Goloka and therefore has no connection whatsoever to ones genuine nitya-siddha body.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." - Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes
There is Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (the perpetual presence) and the mahat-tattva (past, present and future), however, there is also the Impersonal Brahmajyoti where the marginal living entity, in their nitya baddha condition, are (temporarily) unaware of past, present or future in a dreamless
material time.
Srila Prabhupada - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things”. Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia
Actually because of the concept of ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness there is really no two states of consciousness (nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha) there is only one genuine condition of the marginal living entity which is nitya-siddha however, experiencing the free-will and chooses of life can give birth to the nitya-baddha material bound consciousness is all to do with where ones ‘present awareness’ is placed.
Placement of ‘awareness’ within the mahat-tattva is also very real, but a temporary experience of reality. As long as one is experiencing the full potential of their marginal identity, which is their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body, then the nitya-baddha condition simply does not exist.
The term ‘sub-conscious’ (nitya-baddha) simply means when the marginal living entity uses that free will and chooses to ‘forget’ Goloka. Of course, this means they are NOT leaving as their full conscious nitya-siddha body, but rather they ‘enter a forgetful state’ which is their sub-conscious non-Krishna Conscious condition, which is called the nitya-baddha state of sub-consciousness
Srila Prabhupada - "After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world . . . There is possibility . . . even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on July 4, 1974
Without the ability to choose, even in Goloka, then how can there be genuine love and the individual ability to always expand those loving emotions and service to beautiful Krishna? It is because we have that free will, there is the tendency to mise uses it if we choose.
Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream (Nitya-baddha secondary sub-conscious state). Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967
Is the material creation and our existence in it a dream? Srila Prabhupada explains –
The following conversation is between His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and a university student that took place in Los Angeles, in January of 1974.
Student – “In your books you say this world is like a dream”.
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. It is a dream”.
Student – “How is it a dream?”
Srila Prabhupada – “For example, last night you had some dream, but now it has no value. It is gone. And again, tonight when you sleep, you’ll forget all these things and dream. You won’t remember, when you are dreaming tonight, “I’ve got my house; I’ve got my wife.” You’ll forget it all. So all of this is a dream”.
Student – “Is it true, or is it not true?”
Srila Prabhupada – “How could it be true? At night you forgot it. Do you remember when you sleep that you’ve got your wife and you’re sleeping on a bed? When you have gone some three thousand miles away and seen something totally different in your dream, do you remember that you’ve got a place to reside in?”
Student – “No”
Srila Prabhupada – “So this is a dream. Tonight. What you are seeing now will become only a dream, just as what you know it was only a dream. So both are dreams. You are simply a visitor, that’s all. You are seeing this dream and that dream. You, the spirit soul, are factual. But your material body and the material surroundings you are seeing –this is dream”.
Student – “But I have the impression that this experience is true and my dream is not true. What is the difference?”
Srila Prabhupada – “No. This experience is all untrue! How could it be true? If it were true, how could you forget it at night? How could you forget it, if it were true? At night do you remember all this?”
Student – “No. I don’t remember.”
Srila Prabhupada – “Then-how could it be true? Just as you don’t remember the dream you saw last night and so you call it a “dream,” similarly this experience-because you forget it at night-this is also a dream….”
Student – “I have the impress”
Srila Prabhupada – “This is a day dream; that is a night dream. That’s all. When you dream at night, then you perceive that as being real. Yes. You think that is real. It is a dream, but you are crying, “There is a tiger! Tiger! Tiger!” Where is the tiger? But you are seeing it as a fact-a tiger. “I’m being killed by a tiger.” But where is the tiger? …Or you dream you are embracing some beautiful girl. Where is that beautiful girl? But actually it is happening”.
Student – “It is happening”?
Srila Prabhupada – “In one sense it is happening, because there is discharge of semen. Nocturnal emission. But where is that girl? Is it not a dream? But similarly, this so-call real-life experience is also a dream. You are getting the impression of factuality, but it is a dream. Therefore it is called maya-sukhaya, illusory happiness. Your night-time happiness and your daytime are the same thing. At night you are dreaming you are embracing a nice beautiful girl, and there is no such thing.
Similarly, in the daytime also, whatever “advancement” you are making-this also like that. Maya-sukhaya: You are dreaming, “This process will make happy” or “That process is only a dream. You are taking this daydream as reality because the duration is long.
At night when you dream, the duration is just half an hour. But this daydream lasts for twelve-hour dream, and that is half-hour dream-but actually both of them are dreams. Because one is twelve-hour dream, you are accepting it as real. This is call illusion”
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Student – “Illusion”.
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes…. You are making a distinction between and animal and yourself, but you are forgetting that just as the animal will die, you will also die. So where is your advancement? Will you remain forever? You will also die. So where is your advancement over an animal?
That is stated in the Vedic literatures. Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam-ca
Therefore, it is a dream. It is a long duration of dream, that’s all. Nothing else. But the advantage of having this human body is that in this dream, you can realize the reality-God. That is the advantage. So if you don’t take advantage of this dream, then you are missing everything”
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Student – “So I’m half-asleep?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, that is the situation. Therefore, the Vedic literatures say, uttistha: “Get up! Get up! Get up!” Jagrata: Become awakened!” Prapya varan nibodhata: “Now you have got the opportunity: utilize it.” Tamasi ma jyotir gama:
Srila Prabhupada – “Don’t stay in darkness; come to the light.” These are Vedic injunctions. And we are teaching the same thing, “Reality is here-Krsna. Don’t remain in this dark place. Come to the higher consciousness”. Los Angeles, in January of 1974.
Srila Prabhupada - "You are right when you say our past life is a dream only. Just like at night we see so many dreams and in daytime we forget everything. Similarly we forget everything of our past life and as such so long we do not be reposed to our spiritual factual life, all these changes of lives one after another are considered to be dreams". Sunday, December 24, 1967 San Francisco, Calif. Nandakisora dasa
Many have expressed amusement when told their existence in the material world is just the dream state of the marginal living entity (jiva-tattva). However, by reading Srila Prabhupada’s books, we find that the material condition and creation is simply made up of their own self-centred imaginations, thoughts, and dreams all over shadowed by the reactions (karma) to their actions that are all a factual reality yet temporary.
This impermanent reality known as the mahat-tattva (material creation) is experienced by first choosing to leave Goloka (The eternal imperishable Kingdom of God), not as one’s perpetual nitya-siddha or mukta body that is forever there in Goloka beyond the material gross and subtle body, but as their secondary nitya-baddha sub-conscious bodiless state that is only able to have form by entering unlimited material vessels or containers within the mahat-tattva that are all created and manufactured from the dreams of Maha-Vishnu.
Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vishnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes – “This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Vishnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/
Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b.
Srila Prabhupada - “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness, we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this So this situation” Tokyo Japan 1972: Srimad Bhagavatam 2.9.1
Srila Prabhupada - “When the dream is finished, we come to another dream: “Oh, this is my house. This is my family. This is my bank balance.” This is going on. Dream. One dream at night, one dream at daytime. But who is dreaming? That is the living entity. So his business is different. Not dreaming, daytime dreaming and night-time dreaming. He has to come to the actual platform. That is Krsna consciousness. If he takes to Krsna consciousness, that is his actual life. Otherwise, he’s in the dreamland” Bombay, December 27, 1972
Srila Prabhupada - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only”. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami and Australian devotees
Because the jiva-tattva is marginal, there is always the chance of fall down from Goloka-Vrndavana (Krsnaloka) or Vaikuntha!
Here are the genuine facts Srila Prabhupada has given us which is we have ALL fallen down from our ‘original position’ in Goloka-Vrndavana or from our less momentous spiritual position in Vaikuntha some millions of years ago.
Srila Prabhupada tells us that those who return back home back to Godhead in most cases, would never again foolishly return to this frustrating material creation, however there will always be choice and who knows what some will choose within eternity? Only Krishna. This is the point that Srila Prabhupada makes. “At anytime we can fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka” Srila Prabhupada has told us, saying it is our choice to stay or go.
Also it is important to understand that ones fall down from Goloka or Vaikuntha has nothing to do with Maya; it is all to do with choice, free-will and the sheer smallness of the marginal living entity or jiva-tattva.
There are other aspects of the jiva-tattva other than having just free-will and choice also as pointed out recently during Q & A after one of the 2010 Mayapur festival classes, that jiva tattva, marginal living entity or potency (jiva-tattva), is distinguished from the Vishnu-Tattvas not only by free will, but by smallness. That is to say, it is the characteristic of the marginal living entities, potency or jiva-tattvas that we can exercise our free will in choosing to act in nescience, darkness, or maha-Maya. In this nescience we falsely think we are independent, but we are always actually dependent on Krishna in Goloka, Vishnu in Vaikuntha or Maha-Vishnu in the mahat-tattva.
Krishna also has free will and so do all His Vishnu-tattva direct expansions who can never be covered over by forgetfulness. A jiva-tattva CANNOT have ALL the qualities of Vishnu-Tattva. If he does he IS Vishnu-Tattva, and that is not possible.
The jiva-tattva can have some qualities but not all the quantity of the Lord, so this does not make him Vishnu-Tattva. The expansions of Krishna such as Narayana in Vaikuntha are called ‘Vishnu-Tattva’ as opposed to the jiva-tattva or the miniscule marginal living entities like us.
The difference is that Lord Vishnu is worshiped in awe and reverence by all the nitya-siddha jiva-tattvas however, while in the pastimes of Lord Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana, Krishna is with His jiva-tattva nitya-siddha devotees in the full potential of their existence, in a very intimate sweet relationship.
The jiva-tattva also can enter Maha-Vishnu's dreaming material creation as their nitya-baddha secondary self where Maha-Vishnu facilitates the material creation (lifeless mahat-tattva) and provides all the bodily vessels the baddha-jiva inferior self desires and deserves while they live in denial of serving Krishna.
Srila Prabhupada compared Lord Vishnu as God in an official mood in the Vaikunthas and appearances in the material creation, and Krishna as God Syamasundara at His original home in Goloka-Vrndavana with His parents, brothers and sisters, girl friends, boy friends and associates.
Srila Prabhupada - "In the Padma Purana, wherein it is said that there are two kinds of spiritual entities; one is called the jiva (jiva-tattva), and the other is called the Supreme Lord (Vishnu Tattva)". Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, "Prayers by the Personified Vedas."
Srila Prabhupada teaches us - These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities". Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970
Secondly, it must be pointed out that no one sleeps laying down like some have foolishly suggested when the marginal living entity comes into the material creation as their nitya-baddha secondary dreaming self after choosing to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka, it is not like that!
The only action that happens is that the marginal living entity leaves the spiritual Goloka/Vaikuntha atmosphere of ‘eternal time’ or ‘eternal presence of Krishna Consciousness’ subordinately as their nitya-baddha secondary non-Krishna conscious self and enters the past, present and future of the material dream creation or the lifeless mahat-tattva, therefore ‘sub-consciously’ leaving the eternal presence of Krishna consciousness in Goloka.
However, when the marginal living entities ‘awareness’ of their nitya-siddha Krishna conscious body is again reinstated, the ‘awareness’ of being nitya-baddha in the material creation melts away like darkness melts away in the presence of light.
At that point it will be as if they never left Goloka because of the eternal imperishable presence of Krishna Consciousness in Goloka and Vaikuntha. The silly childish idea the marginal living entity sleeps in Goloka no way represents how the marginal living entity comes to the material creation, as nitya-baddha is incorrect, dreaming yes, sleeping, no. The marginal living entity leaves Goloka as their dreaming sub-conscious state.
Actually because of the ‘concept of the eternal presence of Krishna consciousness’ there are really no two states of consciousness, as some believe, it is all to do with where ones ‘awareness’ is placed. This means there is no sub-conscious secondary self (nitya-baddha) as long as one is experiencing the full potential of their marginal bodily identity which is nitya-siddha.
In this way, nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha can be compared to light (nitya-siddha) and darkness (nitya-baddha), just like there is only light, and the absents of light (darkness)
What is really going on is to do with time that separates the ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness in Goloka from the divided time of ‘past, present and future of the mahat-tattva or material creation. This sentence is very important to understand.
What actually happens is the non-Krishna conscious desire, thoughts, dreams and imaginations of the marginal living entity happens on the sub-conscious level that are ‘out of sync’ with the 'eternal presence' of Krishna Consciousness that is eternally existent in Goloka.
Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger, there is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream (Nitya-baddha secondary sub-conscious state). (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)
When the marginal living entity, in the restricted baddha-jiva secondary condition, is Krishna conscious enough to awaken the memory of their svarupa or nitya-siddha bodily relationship with Krishna, then the billion or so life times ‘dreaming’ in the maha-tattva will be no more than a moment. In fact it will be as if they never left.
The marginal living entity, as its secondary inferior baddha-jiva self, only appears as a secondary manifestation of the self due to the altered state of time created by them by rejecting Krishna and placing their ‘awareness’ of themselves outside of Goloka in the lifeless mahat-tattva as their secondary dreaming nitya-baddha state. In other words, as soon as they reject serving Krishna in Goloka, they place themselves within the mahat-tattva.
Srila Prabhupada – “So even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that “Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna? ” I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master; sometimes he may think that “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that, they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”. July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C
Srila Prabhupada – “The living entity, forgetting his position, is situated in the material energy. The living entity is called the marginal energy because by nature he is spiritual but by forgetfulness he is situated in the material energy. Thus he has the power to live both in the material energy or the spiritual energy, and for this reason he is called marginal energy. He is sometimes attracted by the external illusory energy when he stays in the marginal position, and this is the beginning of his material life"
Devotee – “Because Krishna is independent, therefore the part and parcels…”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. Part and parcel must have a little portion of independence. Qualitatively, part and parcel means… Just like you take a drop of water from the sea. The, all the chemical composition is there in the drop. So Krishna is fully independent. So we living entities we are drop. Still, the independence quality is there in minute quantity”. Los Angeles, June 23, 1975
The other speculation that was made Srila Prabhupada rejected. He discarded the idea that the jiva-tattva originates from the dormant inactive part of the Brahmajyoti (known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahmasayujya).
There are other schools of thought that claim this and therefore believe some jiva-tattvas have never been to Goloka however their understanding is grossly incorrect.
Srila Prabhupada - "Because he (The baddha-jiva) falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami Australia 1972
To the contrary, ALL jiva-tattvas not only perpetually originate (meaning there is no origin because they have always existed) from Goloka, they are ALL nitya-siddha 'svarupa' devotees of Krishna in their full potential in Goloka and perpetually remain so even if they foolishly choose to enter the material dream creation of Maha Vishnu and temporarily falling out if sync with the ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness.
Goloka is the natural environment of EVERY jiva-tattva, this mean every embodied soul trapped in the material creation is originally a nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna, which is the full innovative potential of every marginal living entity presently trapped within this mahat-tattva creation. Srila Prabhupada tells us that after again returning home to Goloka, one will never again fall down, but then adds, the free will and choice is always there to fall if one chooses.
If Krishna forces us, then how can we give love or service of our own (totally selfless) choosing and receive it?
Therefore one can come to the material creation if they choose however, most do not come here again as their nitya-baddha secondary mundane dream condition but always remain aware they are nitya-siddha in Goloka and Vaikuntha.
Only Guru can force us as soon as we promise to follow his order, then there is no choice, we must follow otherwise we are carving our way to hell as Srila Prabhupada once told me.
Goloka-Vrndavana is the natural perpetual environment of EVERY jiva-tattva; this mean every embodied soul trapped in the material creation (mahat-tattva) is originally a nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna when their full potential of Krishna Consciousness is expressed and reawakened. Every marginal living entity (jiva-tattva) originates from Goloka-Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can AGAIN become nitya-siddha (eternally Krsna Conscious). So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (so called eternally material conditioned) AGAIN nitya-siddha (Eternally Krishna Conscious as ones perpetual ORIGINAL body in Goloka”. Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107 New York, July 13, 1976
Srila Prabhupada - "So because we are living entities, called the marginal energy, we are not as powerful as Krsna, therefore we may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment. Iccha-dvesa samutthena sarge yanti parantapa. Lecture Washington DC Temple 1976
Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krishna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973
Srila Prabhupada - "After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world . . . There is possibility . . . even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on July 4, 1974
ALL marginal living entities 'originally' come from Goloka-Vrndavana’s eternal presence of Krishna consciousness.
Srila Prabhupada - "The living entity has the tendency to reject the sanctions of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature, and because he has this tendency, he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord." (Bhagavad-gita 13.23 purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. Formerly we were with Krsna in his lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever conditioned (nitya-baddha)." Letter to Madhudvisa Swami and Australian devotees 1972
Srila Prabhupada - "You are right when you say our past life is a dream only. Just like at night we see so many dreams and in daytime we forget everything. Similarly we forget everything of our past life and as such so long we do not be reposed to our spiritual factual life, all these changes of lives one after another are considered to be dreams". Sunday, December 24, 1967 San Francisco, Calif. Nandakisora dasa,
Srila Prabhupada – “Eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)? We cannot be eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha), because we are part and parcel of Krishna. Our natural position is ever liberated, eternally liberated (nitya-siddha). But because we wanted to imitate Krishna, we wanted to become Krishna, as the Mayavadis want to do, therefore in the spiritual world, Krishna is the only enjoyer. (Bhagavad Gita as it is lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
Now from the above understanding, we can understand the marginal living entities nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body in Goloka and nitya-baddha non-Krishna Conscious ‘sub-conscious’ DREAM condition that enters Maha-Vishnu’s mahat-tattva creation of mundane temporary bodily vessels or material containers.
Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of maya. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha. But the actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task." New York lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976
The paradox is, yes, the marginal living entity never leaves Goloka as their nitya-siddha body (unless its for Krsna lila and even then they still never leave, they just manifest themselves in two or more different places simultaneously) because ones eternal spiritual body is eternally fixed within the ‘eternal presence' of Goloka.
This ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna consciousness means that the nitya-siddha devotees are so absorbed in serving beautiful Krishna that there is no experience of the passing of time, nor is there any decay or forgetfulness, however there is always choice.
Srila Prabhupada – “The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully. Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when the living entity, misusing his tiny independence, wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54, purport)
Therefore one can ‘choose to forget’ not only Krishna but also their nitya-siddha body they serve Krishna as (rather than leave as their nitya-siddha body which is NOT possible) in Goloka due to that choice and it is not initially or originally forgetfulness that causes one to ‘sub-consciously’ fall; first there is choice in full consciousness.
One can understand that the nature of the mahat-tattva (material creation) from the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts is a place of impersonalism, after all, the nitya-baddha-jiva sub-consciousness has no permanent body and is always changing into material vessels or bodies like one changes cloths.
These material vessels are all provided by Maha-Vishnu since the extended ‘sub-consciousness’ or the nitya-baddha-bodiless condition of the jiva-tattva can only be contained in material bodies that are from the DREAMS of Maha-Vishnu.
It is those vessels, which are part and parcel of His DREAM material creation or mahat-tattva that gives the nitya-baddha ‘sub-conscious condition’ bodily form in the material creation.
The nitya-baddha ‘sub-conscious’ DREAM state originates (yet has nothing to do with ones nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body) from the marginal living entity and NOT from ones nitya-siddha perpetual rasa or svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. This seemingly paradoxical reality is explained in this way -
Both nitya-siddha Spiritual body and nitya-baddha ‘sub-consciousness’ are totally separate conditions of the marginal living entity and they never intertwine. This is compared to light (nitya-siddha [personalism]) and darkness (nitya-baddha [impersonalism]) that can never exist together.
Either the marginal living entity is consciously ‘aware’ of their nitya-siddha eternal body in Goloka, or sub-consciously ‘unaware’ or forgetful of it. When the marginal living entities are ‘unaware or forgetful’ of their nitya-siddha body (due to free-will and choice), they immediately manifest as the nitya-baddha lower self (sub-consciousness) that seeks out bodily forms within the mahat-tattva (material creation).
The nitya-baddha non-Krishna conscious condition of the jiva-tattva has no factual body because it is only made up of non-Krishna conscious dreams, desires and thoughts of self-importance that only finds an out let by possessing vessels of the mahat-tattva.
The marginal living entity therefore looses the ‘awareness and memory’ of their nitya-siddha body (due to choice) to attain this state of self-denial (nitya-baddha) that enters the mahat-tattva.
Actually, even though painful to Krishna, this rebellious act is the legitimate right of all marginal living entities to desire, that is if they foolishly choose to use their free and forget Krishna and simultaneously their nitya-siddha body in Goloka.
dream condition that also a transitory situation of the baddha-jiva.
In this way the nitya-baddha sub-consciousness dream begins, due to free will, from its own marginal origins in Goloka, yet the nitya-baddha state is NEVER in Goloka and therefore has no connection whatsoever to ones genuine nitya-siddha body.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." - Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes
There is Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (the perpetual presence) and the mahat-tattva (past, present and future), however, there is also the Impersonal Brahmajyoti where the marginal living entity, in their nitya baddha condition, are (temporarily) unaware of past, present or future in a dreamless
material time.
Srila Prabhupada - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things”. Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia
Actually because of the concept of ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness there is really no two states of consciousness (nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha) there is only one genuine condition of the marginal living entity which is nitya-siddha however, experiencing the free-will and chooses of life can give birth to the nitya-baddha material bound consciousness is all to do with where ones ‘present awareness’ is placed.
Placement of ‘awareness’ within the mahat-tattva is also very real, but a temporary experience of reality. As long as one is experiencing the full potential of their marginal identity, which is their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body, then the nitya-baddha condition simply does not exist.
The term ‘sub-conscious’ (nitya-baddha) simply means when the marginal living entity uses that free will and chooses to ‘forget’ Goloka. Of course, this means they are NOT leaving as their full conscious nitya-siddha body, but rather they ‘enter a forgetful state’ which is their sub-conscious non-Krishna Conscious condition, which is called the nitya-baddha state of sub-consciousness
Srila Prabhupada - "After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world . . . There is possibility . . . even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on July 4, 1974
Without the ability to choose, even in Goloka, then how can there be genuine love and the individual ability to always expand those loving emotions and service to beautiful Krishna? It is because we have that free will, there is the tendency to mise uses it if we choose.
Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream (Nitya-baddha secondary sub-conscious state). Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967
Is the material creation and our existence in it a dream? Srila Prabhupada explains –
The following conversation is between His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and a university student that took place in Los Angeles, in January of 1974.
Student – “In your books you say this world is like a dream”.
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. It is a dream”.
Student – “How is it a dream?”
Srila Prabhupada – “For example, last night you had some dream, but now it has no value. It is gone. And again, tonight when you sleep, you’ll forget all these things and dream. You won’t remember, when you are dreaming tonight, “I’ve got my house; I’ve got my wife.” You’ll forget it all. So all of this is a dream”.
Student – “Is it true, or is it not true?”
Srila Prabhupada – “How could it be true? At night you forgot it. Do you remember when you sleep that you’ve got your wife and you’re sleeping on a bed? When you have gone some three thousand miles away and seen something totally different in your dream, do you remember that you’ve got a place to reside in?”
Student – “No”
Srila Prabhupada – “So this is a dream. Tonight. What you are seeing now will become only a dream, just as what you know it was only a dream. So both are dreams. You are simply a visitor, that’s all. You are seeing this dream and that dream. You, the spirit soul, are factual. But your material body and the material surroundings you are seeing –this is dream”.
Student – “But I have the impression that this experience is true and my dream is not true. What is the difference?”
Srila Prabhupada – “No. This experience is all untrue! How could it be true? If it were true, how could you forget it at night? How could you forget it, if it were true? At night do you remember all this?”
Student – “No. I don’t remember.”
Srila Prabhupada – “Then-how could it be true? Just as you don’t remember the dream you saw last night and so you call it a “dream,” similarly this experience-because you forget it at night-this is also a dream….”
Student – “I have the impress”
Srila Prabhupada – “This is a day dream; that is a night dream. That’s all. When you dream at night, then you perceive that as being real. Yes. You think that is real. It is a dream, but you are crying, “There is a tiger! Tiger! Tiger!” Where is the tiger? But you are seeing it as a fact-a tiger. “I’m being killed by a tiger.” But where is the tiger? …Or you dream you are embracing some beautiful girl. Where is that beautiful girl? But actually it is happening”.
Student – “It is happening”?
Srila Prabhupada – “In one sense it is happening, because there is discharge of semen. Nocturnal emission. But where is that girl? Is it not a dream? But similarly, this so-call real-life experience is also a dream. You are getting the impression of factuality, but it is a dream. Therefore it is called maya-sukhaya, illusory happiness. Your night-time happiness and your daytime are the same thing. At night you are dreaming you are embracing a nice beautiful girl, and there is no such thing.
Similarly, in the daytime also, whatever “advancement” you are making-this also like that. Maya-sukhaya: You are dreaming, “This process will make happy” or “That process is only a dream. You are taking this daydream as reality because the duration is long.
At night when you dream, the duration is just half an hour. But this daydream lasts for twelve-hour dream, and that is half-hour dream-but actually both of them are dreams. Because one is twelve-hour dream, you are accepting it as real. This is call illusion”
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Student – “Illusion”.
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes…. You are making a distinction between and animal and yourself, but you are forgetting that just as the animal will die, you will also die. So where is your advancement? Will you remain forever? You will also die. So where is your advancement over an animal?
That is stated in the Vedic literatures. Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam-ca
Therefore, it is a dream. It is a long duration of dream, that’s all. Nothing else. But the advantage of having this human body is that in this dream, you can realize the reality-God. That is the advantage. So if you don’t take advantage of this dream, then you are missing everything”
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Student – “So I’m half-asleep?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, that is the situation. Therefore, the Vedic literatures say, uttistha: “Get up! Get up! Get up!” Jagrata: Become awakened!” Prapya varan nibodhata: “Now you have got the opportunity: utilize it.” Tamasi ma jyotir gama:
Srila Prabhupada – “Don’t stay in darkness; come to the light.” These are Vedic injunctions. And we are teaching the same thing, “Reality is here-Krsna. Don’t remain in this dark place. Come to the higher consciousness”. Los Angeles, in January of 1974.
Srila Prabhupada - "You are right when you say our past life is a dream only. Just like at night we see so many dreams and in daytime we forget everything. Similarly we forget everything of our past life and as such so long we do not be reposed to our spiritual factual life, all these changes of lives one after another are considered to be dreams". Sunday, December 24, 1967 San Francisco, Calif. Nandakisora dasa
Many have expressed amusement when told their existence in the material world is just the dream state of the marginal living entity (jiva-tattva). However, by reading Srila Prabhupada’s books, we find that the material condition and creation is simply made up of their own self-centred imaginations, thoughts, and dreams all over shadowed by the reactions (karma) to their actions that are all a factual reality yet temporary.
This impermanent reality known as the mahat-tattva (material creation) is experienced by first choosing to leave Goloka (The eternal imperishable Kingdom of God), not as one’s perpetual nitya-siddha or mukta body that is forever there in Goloka beyond the material gross and subtle body, but as their secondary nitya-baddha sub-conscious bodiless state that is only able to have form by entering unlimited material vessels or containers within the mahat-tattva that are all created and manufactured from the dreams of Maha-Vishnu.
Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vishnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes – “This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Vishnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/
Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b.
Srila Prabhupada - “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness, we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this So this situation” Tokyo Japan 1972: Srimad Bhagavatam 2.9.1
Srila Prabhupada - “When the dream is finished, we come to another dream: “Oh, this is my house. This is my family. This is my bank balance.” This is going on. Dream. One dream at night, one dream at daytime. But who is dreaming? That is the living entity. So his business is different. Not dreaming, daytime dreaming and night-time dreaming. He has to come to the actual platform. That is Krsna consciousness. If he takes to Krsna consciousness, that is his actual life. Otherwise, he’s in the dreamland” Bombay, December 27, 1972
Srila Prabhupada - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only”. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami and Australian devotees
Because the jiva-tattva is marginal, there is always the chance of fall down from Goloka-Vrndavana (Krsnaloka) or Vaikuntha!
Here are the genuine facts Srila Prabhupada has given us which is we have ALL fallen down from our ‘original position’ in Goloka-Vrndavana or from our less momentous spiritual position in Vaikuntha some millions of years ago.
Srila Prabhupada tells us that those who return back home back to Godhead in most cases, would never again foolishly return to this frustrating material creation, however there will always be choice and who knows what some will choose within eternity? Only Krishna. This is the point that Srila Prabhupada makes. “At anytime we can fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka” Srila Prabhupada has told us, saying it is our choice to stay or go.
Also it is important to understand that ones fall down from Goloka or Vaikuntha has nothing to do with Maya; it is all to do with choice, free-will and the sheer smallness of the marginal living entity or jiva-tattva.
There are other aspects of the jiva-tattva other than having just free-will and choice also as pointed out recently during Q & A after one of the 2010 Mayapur festival classes, that jiva tattva, marginal living entity or potency (jiva-tattva), is distinguished from the Vishnu-Tattvas not only by free will, but by smallness. That is to say, it is the characteristic of the marginal living entities, potency or jiva-tattvas that we can exercise our free will in choosing to act in nescience, darkness, or maha-Maya. In this nescience we falsely think we are independent, but we are always actually dependent on Krishna in Goloka, Vishnu in Vaikuntha or Maha-Vishnu in the mahat-tattva.
Krishna also has free will and so do all His Vishnu-tattva direct expansions who can never be covered over by forgetfulness. A jiva-tattva CANNOT have ALL the qualities of Vishnu-Tattva. If he does he IS Vishnu-Tattva, and that is not possible.
The jiva-tattva can have some qualities but not all the quantity of the Lord, so this does not make him Vishnu-Tattva. The expansions of Krishna such as Narayana in Vaikuntha are called ‘Vishnu-Tattva’ as opposed to the jiva-tattva or the miniscule marginal living entities like us.
The difference is that Lord Vishnu is worshiped in awe and reverence by all the nitya-siddha jiva-tattvas however, while in the pastimes of Lord Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana, Krishna is with His jiva-tattva nitya-siddha devotees in the full potential of their existence, in a very intimate sweet relationship.
The jiva-tattva also can enter Maha-Vishnu's dreaming material creation as their nitya-baddha secondary self where Maha-Vishnu facilitates the material creation (lifeless mahat-tattva) and provides all the bodily vessels the baddha-jiva inferior self desires and deserves while they live in denial of serving Krishna.
Srila Prabhupada compared Lord Vishnu as God in an official mood in the Vaikunthas and appearances in the material creation, and Krishna as God Syamasundara at His original home in Goloka-Vrndavana with His parents, brothers and sisters, girl friends, boy friends and associates.
Srila Prabhupada - "In the Padma Purana, wherein it is said that there are two kinds of spiritual entities; one is called the jiva (jiva-tattva), and the other is called the Supreme Lord (Vishnu Tattva)". Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, "Prayers by the Personified Vedas."
Srila Prabhupada teaches us - These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities". Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970
Secondly, it must be pointed out that no one sleeps laying down like some have foolishly suggested when the marginal living entity comes into the material creation as their nitya-baddha secondary dreaming self after choosing to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka, it is not like that!
The only action that happens is that the marginal living entity leaves the spiritual Goloka/Vaikuntha atmosphere of ‘eternal time’ or ‘eternal presence of Krishna Consciousness’ subordinately as their nitya-baddha secondary non-Krishna conscious self and enters the past, present and future of the material dream creation or the lifeless mahat-tattva, therefore ‘sub-consciously’ leaving the eternal presence of Krishna consciousness in Goloka.
However, when the marginal living entities ‘awareness’ of their nitya-siddha Krishna conscious body is again reinstated, the ‘awareness’ of being nitya-baddha in the material creation melts away like darkness melts away in the presence of light.
At that point it will be as if they never left Goloka because of the eternal imperishable presence of Krishna Consciousness in Goloka and Vaikuntha. The silly childish idea the marginal living entity sleeps in Goloka no way represents how the marginal living entity comes to the material creation, as nitya-baddha is incorrect, dreaming yes, sleeping, no. The marginal living entity leaves Goloka as their dreaming sub-conscious state.
Actually because of the ‘concept of the eternal presence of Krishna consciousness’ there are really no two states of consciousness, as some believe, it is all to do with where ones ‘awareness’ is placed. This means there is no sub-conscious secondary self (nitya-baddha) as long as one is experiencing the full potential of their marginal bodily identity which is nitya-siddha.
In this way, nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha can be compared to light (nitya-siddha) and darkness (nitya-baddha), just like there is only light, and the absents of light (darkness)
What is really going on is to do with time that separates the ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness in Goloka from the divided time of ‘past, present and future of the mahat-tattva or material creation. This sentence is very important to understand.
What actually happens is the non-Krishna conscious desire, thoughts, dreams and imaginations of the marginal living entity happens on the sub-conscious level that are ‘out of sync’ with the 'eternal presence' of Krishna Consciousness that is eternally existent in Goloka.
Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger, there is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream (Nitya-baddha secondary sub-conscious state). (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)
When the marginal living entity, in the restricted baddha-jiva secondary condition, is Krishna conscious enough to awaken the memory of their svarupa or nitya-siddha bodily relationship with Krishna, then the billion or so life times ‘dreaming’ in the maha-tattva will be no more than a moment. In fact it will be as if they never left.
The marginal living entity, as its secondary inferior baddha-jiva self, only appears as a secondary manifestation of the self due to the altered state of time created by them by rejecting Krishna and placing their ‘awareness’ of themselves outside of Goloka in the lifeless mahat-tattva as their secondary dreaming nitya-baddha state. In other words, as soon as they reject serving Krishna in Goloka, they place themselves within the mahat-tattva.
Srila Prabhupada – “So even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that “Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna? ” I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master; sometimes he may think that “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that, they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”. July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C
Srila Prabhupada – “The living entity, forgetting his position, is situated in the material energy. The living entity is called the marginal energy because by nature he is spiritual but by forgetfulness he is situated in the material energy. Thus he has the power to live both in the material energy or the spiritual energy, and for this reason he is called marginal energy. He is sometimes attracted by the external illusory energy when he stays in the marginal position, and this is the beginning of his material life"
Devotee – “Because Krishna is independent, therefore the part and parcels…”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. Part and parcel must have a little portion of independence. Qualitatively, part and parcel means… Just like you take a drop of water from the sea. The, all the chemical composition is there in the drop. So Krishna is fully independent. So we living entities we are drop. Still, the independence quality is there in minute quantity”. Los Angeles, June 23, 1975
The other speculation that was made Srila Prabhupada rejected. He discarded the idea that the jiva-tattva originates from the dormant inactive part of the Brahmajyoti (known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahmasayujya).
There are other schools of thought that claim this and therefore believe some jiva-tattvas have never been to Goloka however their understanding is grossly incorrect.
Srila Prabhupada - "Because he (The baddha-jiva) falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami Australia 1972
To the contrary, ALL jiva-tattvas not only perpetually originate (meaning there is no origin because they have always existed) from Goloka, they are ALL nitya-siddha 'svarupa' devotees of Krishna in their full potential in Goloka and perpetually remain so even if they foolishly choose to enter the material dream creation of Maha Vishnu and temporarily falling out if sync with the ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness.
Goloka is the natural environment of EVERY jiva-tattva, this mean every embodied soul trapped in the material creation is originally a nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna, which is the full innovative potential of every marginal living entity presently trapped within this mahat-tattva creation. Srila Prabhupada tells us that after again returning home to Goloka, one will never again fall down, but then adds, the free will and choice is always there to fall if one chooses.
If Krishna forces us, then how can we give love or service of our own (totally selfless) choosing and receive it?
Therefore one can come to the material creation if they choose however, most do not come here again as their nitya-baddha secondary mundane dream condition but always remain aware they are nitya-siddha in Goloka and Vaikuntha.
Only Guru can force us as soon as we promise to follow his order, then there is no choice, we must follow otherwise we are carving our way to hell as Srila Prabhupada once told me.
Goloka-Vrndavana is the natural perpetual environment of EVERY jiva-tattva; this mean every embodied soul trapped in the material creation (mahat-tattva) is originally a nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna when their full potential of Krishna Consciousness is expressed and reawakened. Every marginal living entity (jiva-tattva) originates from Goloka-Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can AGAIN become nitya-siddha (eternally Krsna Conscious). So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (so called eternally material conditioned) AGAIN nitya-siddha (Eternally Krishna Conscious as ones perpetual ORIGINAL body in Goloka”. Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107 New York, July 13, 1976
Srila Prabhupada - "So because we are living entities, called the marginal energy, we are not as powerful as Krsna, therefore we may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment. Iccha-dvesa samutthena sarge yanti parantapa. Lecture Washington DC Temple 1976
Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krishna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973
Srila Prabhupada - "After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world . . . There is possibility . . . even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on July 4, 1974
ALL marginal living entities 'originally' come from Goloka-Vrndavana’s eternal presence of Krishna consciousness.
Srila Prabhupada - "The living entity has the tendency to reject the sanctions of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature, and because he has this tendency, he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord." (Bhagavad-gita 13.23 purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. Formerly we were with Krsna in his lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever conditioned (nitya-baddha)." Letter to Madhudvisa Swami and Australian devotees 1972
Srila Prabhupada - "You are right when you say our past life is a dream only. Just like at night we see so many dreams and in daytime we forget everything. Similarly we forget everything of our past life and as such so long we do not be reposed to our spiritual factual life, all these changes of lives one after another are considered to be dreams". Sunday, December 24, 1967 San Francisco, Calif. Nandakisora dasa,
Srila Prabhupada – “Eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)? We cannot be eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha), because we are part and parcel of Krishna. Our natural position is ever liberated, eternally liberated (nitya-siddha). But because we wanted to imitate Krishna, we wanted to become Krishna, as the Mayavadis want to do, therefore in the spiritual world, Krishna is the only enjoyer. (Bhagavad Gita as it is lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
Now from the above understanding, we can understand the marginal living entities nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body in Goloka and nitya-baddha non-Krishna Conscious ‘sub-conscious’ DREAM condition that enters Maha-Vishnu’s mahat-tattva creation of mundane temporary bodily vessels or material containers.
Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of maya. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha. But the actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task." New York lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976
It can be further understood in this simple way, darkness can never exist in the presents of light similarly, the baddha-jiva can never exist in the presents of ones nitya-siddha-body. The baddha-jiva sub-consciousness or spark is eventually impregnated within the mahat-tattva material creation facilitated by Maha Vishnu.
The nitya-baddha is the lower self or the secondary ‘NON”-Krishna conscious condition of the marginal living entity born from misusing ones free-will and therefore falling out of sync with perpetual time in Goloka and Vaikuntha known as the ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness.
This baddha-jiva state is devoid of form until they are either given form by Maha-Vishnu or return back home back to Godhead to their original svarupa or rasa form in Goloka beyond the divisions of
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